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Post by NeonUchuujin Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:50 am

I think I'm still considered new in Warmachine, alot of basic things I'm still not sure yet. One thing I've always been confused with is Warcaster spells.

1. Can I upkeep a spell on something, then cast it on the same turn on somebody else, so two targets get the benefit?

2. I know I can cast the same spell multiple times, but is it that I can only cast an upkeep spell once per turn?

3. For Warcasters we use the Focus number +2d6, how about solos or units? Is it the number on the card on the list of spells?
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Post by jasechew Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:47 am

1-2.A spell can be cast multiple times but it only effects a same model once.
There is only can be 1 of the same upkeep spell active at all time but u can recast it just to change the target in another word the 1st target no longer effected by the upkeep spells

3.the dice rolling only need 2 be done when using a attacking spell. If buffs targeting friendly models its auto pass . as for solos without focus they have magic ability number use that to replace the focus number +2D6 as normal
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Post by NeonUchuujin Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:59 am

That cleared up some questions in my mind, thanks Razz
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Post by Tekanan Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:07 am

NeonUchuujin wrote:I think I'm still considered new in Warmachine, alot of basic things I'm still not sure yet. One thing I've always been confused with is Warcaster spells.

1. Can I upkeep a spell on something, then cast it on the same turn on somebody else, so two targets get the benefit?

2. I know I can cast the same spell multiple times, but is it that I can only cast an upkeep spell once per turn?

3. For Warcasters we use the Focus number +2d6, how about solos or units? Is it the number on the card on the list of spells?

Even though your queries have been answered, I shall reply to it just to increase my post count cat .

1. Yes you can. This is a trick that most people use in order for 2 units/models to get the upkeep spell's benefits.
e.g. Stryker upkept Snipe on the Defender. The Defender activates first, shooting and getting the most out of it. Stryker then activates, casting snipe on the Hunter. Hunter activates last, gaining snipe's RNG increase.

2. You can cast upkeep spell multiple times as per any other spell, but keep in mind that it will "override" your upkeep spell that was casted/upkept before that.
e.g. Strakhov upkeeps/casts Superiority on a Juggernaut. He then casts Superiority again on a Destroyer. As the Destroyer gets the upkeep spell, Superiority on Juggernaut expires.

3. For solos/units, you make a "skill check", which is the number beside the magic ability.
e.g. Koldun lord states the following:
magic ability [7]
- frostbite (*attack)
- ice cage (*attack)
- power booster (*action)

To make the frostbite magic attack, you use your magic ability value + 2d6 (7+2d6).


You should probably know that you need to make an attack roll if it is an offensive spell or a special attack (unless noted otherwise). Non-offensive spells do not require an attack roll i.e. boundless charge. The following might help reinforce this in your mind further:
In Warmachine, all spells have a 100% succesful cast rate (as long as you have the FOC required). What you need to roll for is to see whether it hits or not!
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Post by NeonUchuujin Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:23 am

I didn't see your reply earlier, but yeah, I was kinda wondering how one could "upkeep and recast the upkeep spell so 2 models can benefit from this spell a turn". NOW I get it, you'd have to do it after the first model the spell was up kept on has finished activation.

I'll keep it in mind the next time, thanks Razz
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Post by NeonUchuujin Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:36 pm

Question. Can two of the same upkeep spells from two different casters affect one target?

Like maybe, Irusk and Old Witch casting Iron Flesh on one unit?

...I'm guessing no because it sounds cheating.
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Post by Tekanan Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:06 pm

I'm saying very roughly here, but only one upkeep spell of that particular kind can be in play at a time.

So no, you cannot have 2 upkeep spells, even of the same kind, on one unit.

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Post by Gliblit Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:20 pm

Can't I then have iron flesh on two different unit?

It only says I can have one upkeep spell on one unit, so I assume I can have two caster casting the same spells but on different unit.

Neo, Butcher trick level 1,

Fury upkeep on Jug 1
Jug one attack
Activate Butcher, cast Fury on Jug 2
Jug 2 attack.
No need to rinse and repeat, target dead.

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Post by jasechew Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:48 am

Gliblit wrote:Can't I then have iron flesh on two different unit?

It only says I can have one upkeep spell on one unit, so I assume I can have two caster casting the same spells but on different unit.

Neo, Butcher trick level 1,

Fury upkeep on Jug 1
Jug one attack
Activate Butcher, cast Fury on Jug 2
Jug 2 attack.
No need to rinse and repeat, target dead.

There u go u begin to see the beauty of this game.
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Post by Gliblit Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:13 am

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Post by Tekanan Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:49 pm

Gliblit wrote:
It only says I can have one upkeep spell on one unit, so I assume I can have two caster casting the same spells but on different unit.

Yes you are right. You can do this!
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Post by Gliblit Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:46 pm

Thanks for confirming. I think I really need the rule book... Soon.

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Post by Wayfarer Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:55 pm

WGS still had a copy or two last weekend. Get it today!
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Post by jasechew Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:09 am

Wayfarer wrote:WGS still had a copy or two last weekend. Get it today!

Bro was it hard or soft cover?
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Post by adiaze Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:24 am

Rulebook left soft cover methinks. Unless he restocked.
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Post by jasechew Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:35 am

Soft Cover no future leh for rulebooks sure koyak damm fast one....
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Post by Wayfarer Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:36 am

I think adiaze is right. The hardcovers were all pre-orders, iinm.

@jasechew: Well that's why my softcover rulebook stays at home. I only bring the printed final rules pdf that PP posted before the book was released.
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Post by Gliblit Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:38 am

Hard I like, dick likes hard... Prefer to be hard and aspire to be hard...

Jokes aside. Hard is more practical. And value for money.

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Post by jasechew Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:08 pm

Gliblit wrote:Hard I like, dick likes hard... Prefer to be hard and aspire to be hard...

Jokes aside. Hard is more practical. And value for money.


According to Wayfarer and Gliblit we have come to a conclusion that.....
Basically books its like dicks it got to be hard to be useful if not u minus well keep it at home?
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Post by Gliblit Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:01 pm

Soft stuff better be kept out of sight.

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Post by Wayfarer Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:29 pm

Are you guys on drugs? Laughing
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Post by Gliblit Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:38 pm

If you mean coke, maybe, coffee no...


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Post by jasechew Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:43 pm

Wayfarer wrote:I think adiaze is right. The hardcovers were all pre-orders, iinm.

@jasechew: Well that's why my softcover rulebook stays at home. I only bring the printed final rules pdf that PP posted before the book was released.

Gliblit wrote:Soft stuff better be kept out of sight.

from what I understand from this two converstation.
Its hard to get hard one therefore u keep yours at home. Its to keep it safe cox its soft? Very Happy
that's all make sense now.
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Post by Gliblit Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:48 pm

My hard one can't get, soft one I don't want... How?

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Post by jasechew Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:49 pm

Gliblit wrote:My hard one can't get, soft one I don't want... How?
Well sorry bro then u must try live without one....
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