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Post by NeonUchuujin Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:53 pm

I'm a little confused on mounts. So cavalry without "Combat Rider" can't use their horse to attack? If so, How does their mount attack normally?

Or even if I do have "Combat Rider", I can't attack with the mount and the rider as two separate attacks?

Combat Rider: During a combat action it did not make a charge attack, this model can make one melee attack with its mount.
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Post by Tekanan Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:13 am

Mounts from Cavalry can only attack when they make an impact attack.

Combat Rider overrides this rule.

Refer pg.81 under Mount section. It states that Normally a model can use its Mount only to make impact attacks...

Light Cavalry can make an initial attack, but they cannot make impact attacks and ride-by attacks. Additional attacks can be made using its mount too (only if possible).
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Post by NeonUchuujin Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:53 am

Reading the pages now, thanks a lot for answering Smile

Which brings me to another question. Can I do a ride-by attack where I run towards the enemy, kill it, then run back the way I came?
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Post by Tekanan Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:06 pm

NeonUchuujin wrote:Which brings me to another question. Can I do a ride-by attack where I run towards the enemy, kill it, then run back the way I came?

If you replace the underlined word with "normal movement", then yes you can. Make sure you declare that you are performing a ride-by-attack first before any movement is made. Smile

Note that for ride by attacks, you are somewhat combining your movement and action together in 1 step. Keep in mind that end of action effects trigger first before end of movement. This is very useful against that annoying pirate with 3 Nomads that you always see (for the ill-informed, it's jasechew's Bartolo Montador).

Your exact scenario is what most people do but they make sure they kill the intended target or else free strike(s) will ensue.
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Post by NeonUchuujin Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:24 am

Let's say you fail to kill the intended target: Can you stop right there and your Calvary model's activation?
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Post by Tekanan Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:13 pm

Yes you can! It is generally better to perform a ride-by-attack if you do not intend to charge. With a charge, you are getting that +3" movement whereas a normal ride-by attack, you do not and your remaining movement is 'what movement you have left'.
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Post by JINTANA Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:45 pm

Heres another question, When your calvary chages; does he do an impact attack on the charge target.

ie- charge, end movement in 0.5 inch impact attack charge target, then charge attack
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Post by Wayfarer Fri Aug 13, 2010 6:19 pm

On page 84 of the Primal MkII, it does make impact attack on the charge target only if that target is the first enemy model contacted. Impact attacks occur only at 1 point in the charge, the 1st time the cavalry model contacts another model. If there are other models within melee range at that point, they also receive the impact attack which are all simultaneous. It's a little like Thresher in effect.
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Post by Tekanan Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:25 pm

JINTANA wrote:Heres another question, When your calvary chages; does he do an impact attack on the charge target.

ie- charge, end movement in 0.5 inch impact attack charge target, then charge attack

Yes he does. This is why Iron Fang Uhlans are really feared! Their mount can potentially KD you!

Also, you do an impact attack against everyone in the mount's melee range whether you like it or not. :S

Ref. pg. 82 under Calvary Charge (which is found in pg 81).

Apparently the key note to take out is that to perform an impact attack, you must be B2B with something, then anyone in the mount's melee range will be hit by the impact attack.
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Post by Wayfarer Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:38 pm

Dude, didn't I already answer his question?

Also, your last paragraph is not accurate. The models in the cavalry model's melee range is not hit - they are attacked - you still have to roll to attack.
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Post by Tekanan Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:30 pm

Wayfarer wrote:Dude, didn't I already answer his question?

Also, your last paragraph is not accurate. The models in the cavalry model's melee range is not hit - they are attacked - you still have to roll to attack.

No harm done in getting more opinions in.

Yes you are right. You still have to roll to attack against anyone in the mount's melee range.
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Post by NeonUchuujin Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:31 pm

Just thought of a question.

For a Ride-By Attack, can a calvary unit move 0 inches, perform his/her attack, then move their normal movement later?
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Post by Wayfarer Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:07 pm

I don't see a reason why you can't. Just remember the potential free strikes if you didn't kill the target.
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Post by Tekanan Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:24 pm

NeonUchuujin wrote:Just thought of a question.

For a Ride-By Attack, can a calvary unit move 0 inches, perform his/her attack, then move their normal movement later?

Of course you can!
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Post by JINTANA Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:07 pm

But dont forget, you need to declare the move before the attack.
so no take backs where u dont kill then decide not to move.
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